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Joraa Starkmanir
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.15 15:07:00 -
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Anna Karhunen wrote:To get the price of Nestor down, you have to significantly increase droprate of those chips (I saw no numbers mentioned in the droprate part). After all, with the LP and build costs Nestor's price from the old route is not going to come too much down. Thus I hope that the droprate is adjusted so much that it can outstrip the LP store route completely (and people build Stratios and Astero instead, with only few nonconformists giving finger to LP efficiency).
CCP Fozzie wrote:increasing the drop rate of the Drone Nexus chips that can be converted to Sisters of EVE ship BPCs quite dramatically.
Looks like they are already on the same track. |

Joraa Starkmanir
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.15 18:39:00 -
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Irya Boone wrote:Don't understand why dev are so stubborn ..
put the covert ops cloak on the ship already , give the ship the jump drive for god sake and give the remote rep some serious bonus
Anyway you 'll see with the carppy tweaks no one will use this ships like these days
Give it 8/8/8 slots while your at it, and ofc stronger gun/drone bonuses.
Or leave it w/o cov ops cloak so you dont have to nerf it back to the stone age |

Joraa Starkmanir
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.15 21:22:00 -
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Hakaari Inkuran wrote: Im fine with nerfing it and giving it a covops cloak. At least then ONE of the SoE ships will actually have something unique going for it. Remember how pirate ships are supposed to have some bonus that doesn't exist anywhere else?
Remember how SoE is not a pirate faction, and these ships are available in high sec? Ship Maintenance Bay is also kinda unique in high sec (only orca have it), its also the only exploration battleship, the remote rep bonus is also just shared with minmatar carrier/supercarrier (37.5% instead of 50% tho) |

Joraa Starkmanir
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.16 03:01:00 -
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Hakaari Inkuran wrote:Joraa Starkmanir wrote:Hakaari Inkuran wrote: Im fine with nerfing it and giving it a covops cloak. At least then ONE of the SoE ships will actually have something unique going for it. Remember how pirate ships are supposed to have some bonus that doesn't exist anywhere else?
Remember how SoE is not a pirate faction, and these ships are available in high sec? Ship Maintenance Bay is also kinda unique in high sec (only orca have it), its also the only exploration battleship, the remote rep bonus is also just shared with minmatar carrier/supercarrier (37.5% instead of 50% tho) Yeah that's true, nestor stops being a pirate ship when it suits the poster's argument, and it goes back to being a pirate ship when it suits the poster's argument 
I have never regarded Nestor to be a pirate battleship, if i have somewhere called it that i am truly sorry. It is a multi faction ship, and the only other multifaction ships are pirate ships so there is perhaps some merit to calling it that. However SoE have no history with piracy or spectacular combat ships, they do have good ties to exploration that this ship keeps.
It cost the exact same amount of LP to buy a Nestor BPC as it does for Vindi/NM/Mach/Bhaal, what people tend to forget is that this happens in 0.0 where you have to go for the other ships also. So from game design point of view it cost the same as pirate battleships, the higher cost is all based on supply/demand and a free market.
What special bonus would you give it, when most already agree that cov ops should not happen? |

Joraa Starkmanir
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.16 03:03:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote: that was my bad on formatting i meant they should never be allowed t o have a covert cloak anywhere and i was then giving my idea as to what i thought they should have. i didn't mean they should have that only in wh space
Really... And why is that? It's not fast warping. It's not fast aligning. It's not fast locking. It still has to actually lock it's target after it decloaks & the lock timer expires. So 5+BS Lock time on it's target..... Almost anything can warp off in that time if it's paying attention. This whole 'BS's should never have a covert cloak' is just one of those fears that has no reality behind it. Give it a Cov Cloak and you won't see 50000 Cloaked Nestors blocking out the sun. You just might see it occasionally supporting smaller cloaked ships. Same for the Black Ops, they could easily have a Cov cloak and not break things.
If cov ops is not that good, why do you want it?
Simple fact is that people that want cov ops cloak mean that it would be a big boost to the ship overall, and the people that dont want it dont want that boost.
Would you be willing to give up bonused drones and/or RR bonus for a cov ops cloak? |

Joraa Starkmanir
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.16 13:39:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote: Also, I never said it wouldn't be good, I said it wouldn't be OP.
That is where those that want cov ops cloak and those that dont disagree, bouth sides agree that it would be better with it and 1 side think that would make it to good :P
Same bonus as Stratios wouldbe no RR amount or range, and most likely loose 25mb so it can only field 4 heavy/sentry and 5 range bonused guns.
Artenso Vestindal wrote:So, Nestor begins to have a role in fleet... And quite nice one with refitting feature  Now, what about making it even more fleet-support based? -remove virus coherence bonuses -remove +50% laser optimal range -can fit warfare link (or maybe even 3 like command ships?) inetria 0,25x (half mass->double inertia)
Was stated inb the original Nestor thread that virus bonus DONT take the place for another bonus, removing it would therefor not grant access to a "better" bonus in any way or form. I do support removing laser bonus for something that can help it with fleet support |

Joraa Starkmanir
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.17 02:28:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote: Considering T3's with a Cov Cloak can have more tank and similar DPS to Black Op's BS's already...... While merely a cruiser which is vastly faster to train to.
As long as T3 have not yet been rebalanced, its not a good comparison to make. IF they still have same dps/tank after the balance its another story.
Can also consider that 5 bonused drones + 4 range bonused medium lasers was to strong for Stratios, we can only assume that 5 bonused drones + 5 range bonused lasers that have longer range and longer base range would also be considered to much |

Joraa Starkmanir
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.18 07:01:00 -
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Jeremiah Saken wrote:
Never going to happen, nullifier would be useless. Also making T3 somewhere beetwen T1 and T2 wouldn't be wise (what T1,5?). Everybody wants to fly best ships in current class, T3 is best. If you nerf them so much why the hell anybody would want to fly this things? Because you can build your own ship with subsystems? Skill points loss? It should be best among cruisers but worse than BS. I'm really curious what they will do to T3, there will be oceans of tears, all those rage quits. I'm tired of "we will nerf module but it will be better if you overheat it". Try it with painter on PvE BS...Everytime i see Fozzieman post i expect he will took some fun and gave nothing in return. Sometimes i have no idea what is the idea behind ship balancing.
Between T1 and T2 in spesific roles -Less dps than the highest T2 cruiser, but more then T1 cruisers. -Less EHP / tank than the tankiest T2 cruiser but more than T1 cruisers. -Less speed than the fastest T2 cruiser, but more than T1 cruisers. -Less potent EWAR than T2 cruisers, but better than T1 cruisers.
A good example is Loki EWAR subsystem Loki get +30% range / level Minmatar Recons have +60% range for web and 10% TP bonus / level Bellicose dont get web range but +7,5% TP bonuse / level Here we see T3 getting alot of use with only haft the web bonus that its T2 counterpart get, and that is due to EHP that the Recons can not compare with.
So its pretty easy to imagine that a lower bonus compared to T2 will still be very much usefull and worth it as long as it better in another area than the spesific T2 (in this example Loki is alot more tanky compared to bouth the recons) |

Joraa Starkmanir
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.18 07:59:00 -
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I dont think EHP will be nerfed to anywhere close to current Recon stats (wet paper bag). Sure it will most likely get a nerf, but boosting the other parts of the ships may very well make up for it. Lets say you can use a T3 with 90% of the repping compared to a Logistic cruiser, and almost as good EWAR as recons completed with close to top tier EHP/sig tank for cruisers. That would mean you can take 1 pilot to logi+ewar OR you can take the same 2 pilots and get more use out of bouth.
To be completly honest i ahve not looked at all the configurations a T3 can do atm (good or bad) but a ship that can do several roles should never be better than a ship dedicated to a single role
EDIT: since this is getting away from the Nestor i think we just have to agree we dont agree on T3 balance  |

Joraa Starkmanir
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.22 07:00:00 -
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w3ak3stl1nk wrote:If Nestor could launch 5 geckos it would be a lot more interesting without the price change. Would not be surprised to see it used more even with current prices.
So your saying 2x drone DPS compared to the other subcapital ships would make it usefull, who would have thought...
Geckos already do around 2x the dps compared to heavy or sentry drones, and is balanced by the fact that they take 2x the m3 and mb. Also balancing a ship around limited edition drones is not realy a good idea |
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